Lacanche Threads 11-20

lacanche ranges part 19Posted by AnnaLeeF (My Page) on Wed, Mar 23, 05 at 9:30


The little red light still glows as winter winds down.
More installations coming in April . . . .
Welcome to part 19.



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AKAsTJ_Northern_CA (My Page) on Wed, Mar 23, 05 at 9:32

Here's a link to Part 18, while it's on the Forum...
TJ



Here is a link that might be useful: lacanche ranges part 18


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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: NancyUSA (My Page) on Wed, Mar 23, 05 at 12:01

Lacanche Ranges Parts 16, 17, and 18 can be found at the link below along with links to lacanche pictures, Art Culinaire's online brochure and reserve and other items of interest.
http://lacanche.blogspot.com/



Here is a link that might be useful: webite for archived lacanche threads


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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AnnaLeeF (My Page) on Sun, Mar 27, 05 at 0:20

OT - Probably belongs in Cooking, but. . . .
Since most readers of this thread own a French range or are entertaining the idea of having one, I wanted to recommend a book that I am reading: "French Women Don't Get Fat: The Secret of Eating for Pleasure" by Mireille Guiliano.
In this volume, the author explains the French philosophy concerning food, its preparation and presentation, contrasted to American cooking and eating habits. It provides some good food for thought; at least I think it is proving helpful to me in re-shaping a few attitudes about food as I attempt to shed 10 or 15 unwelcome pounds. There are recipes in the book, but I especially like the fact that my addictions to bread and chocolate are not considered evil or harmful, in moderation!
Please excuse the interruption - now back to the pleasures of buying, installing and cooking on a lacanche. . . .




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: kitchengirl (My Page) on Sun, Mar 27, 05 at 18:53

AnnaLeeF and others:
Is everyone okay with hearing a bit more on the topic of "French Women Don't Get Fat..."? While I am likely to want to purchase this tome, being in the same situation as AnnaLee in desiring to drop 5 kg, I'd love to get a little more advance info to guide me in the short-term!



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: goodfun58 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 27, 05 at 20:48

We are trying to hook up the Lacanche...I am hoping that someone else had the same problem and can give us a solution.
The burners will not stay on...after a while they light but
then after several minutes on they go out. Any ideas?
Thanks,

Sue





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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AnnaLeeF (My Page) on Mon, Mar 28, 05 at 7:53

My apologies to all. You are right, kitchengirl.
Goodfun, I suggest having your gas supplier's repair person out to evaluate and maybe calibrate the burners. I do believe something similiar happened to us in the beginning and the serviceman came right back out and made a small adjustment and we were off and running, but I am not certain of the cause.




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: orchidluvr (My Page) on Mon, Mar 28, 05 at 9:24

Kitchengirl, you are back! How was the trip?
I have to report in, now that a full, large, meal has been produced on my Cluny. I baked a Ham in one electric oven, while baking bread pudding in the other, while heating plates in the warming cupboard. I made green beans almondine on the top, along with herb/olive noodles, too. Everything worked great and the meal had rave reviews!

I do think that I need to adjust down the flame a bit on the simmer burner, I noticed that last week, I could not get the flame low enough when I was making something or other. Or maybe I just needed to try out the simmer plate. Next time.

All in all, I am very very pleased with the performance of my Cluny! I will report in soon with it's ability to bake bread.






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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AZdreamhome (My Page) on Mon, Mar 28, 05 at 10:29

Can anyone tell me about the chambertain/chateufneuf Lacanche models? I like the looks of them (larger oven?) and warming cupboard. If I get this model (gas), then I would get a separate single (electric) convection oven. Can anyone tell me more about them?
Also, are the warming cupboards "gas" also? If I import one, I'd like it to be all gas if possible. Thanks!




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: goodfun58 (My Page) on Mon, Mar 28, 05 at 14:40

Thanks for the tip AnnaLeeF...I will call the gas company today. I am so anxious to cook on it.



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: NancyUSA (My Page) on Mon, Mar 28, 05 at 19:06

The cluny is installed, some work is still to be completed...painting, moldings, tile



Here is a link that might be useful: Larger photo


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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AZdreamhome (My Page) on Mon, Mar 28, 05 at 20:36

Nancy -- the Cluny looks great! Love your woodwork/cabinets also. Have you fired it up yet?



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: orchidluvr (My Page) on Mon, Mar 28, 05 at 21:40

Nancy, it's just beautiful! Let us know how your first cooking experience goes!



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AnnaLeeF (My Page) on Tue, Mar 29, 05 at 0:51

Nancy - looks like a lot of progress at last! I love that your Cluny is framed by tall windows on either side. What a beautiful focal point it makes. Thanks for re-posting your blog link on this thread.
AZdream: Up top, the Chambertin has 4 conventional burners grouped together along with extra surface area to the right. The Chateauneuf has 5 burners including the large center burner in roughly the same configuration as the Cluny, but with 4 extra inches of surface width, if that helps. Someone with a warming cabinet can tell you whether it is gas or electric; I am not sure.




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: pdxtrvlr (My Page) on Tue, Mar 29, 05 at 1:29

Dear Lacanche Lovers: I am becoming obsessed with this machine, and will make the 3-hr drive to Woodinville next week to see it in person. But I have a couple of questions for all you lucky folks who are using your stoves on a regular basis. One, do you get used to the placement of the knobs - all identical and in a row, giving no easy indication which burner they correspond to, and 2) does the upper towel bar get in the way, so you have to crouch down to see which burner you have in fact ignited?
As always, grateful for the amassed experience and amazing generosity of this forum!




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: anna_chosak (My Page) on Tue, Mar 29, 05 at 8:22

do you get used to the placement of the knobs
For the most part. I have been known to screw it up occasionally. I use the 12KBTU burner more than any other, so once in a blue moon I will adjust the electric oven knob instead (right next to it) if I have that on at the same time. But this is somewhat alleviated by the fact that the electric oven knob turns clockwise and the rest turn counterclockwise.

does the upper towel bar get in the way, so you have to crouch down to see which burner you have in fact ignited?

No, not at all.






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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Tue, Mar 29, 05 at 9:08

ditto to what anna chosak said. You quickly get used to which knob is for which burner. They each have little pictures that indicate which burner goes with which knobs. You'll have them memorized before you even realize it. My WCs are electric...I don't know if they are available in gas.
Nancy...beautiful!! Just beautiful! And thank you so much for the page you created. I'd love to send you some pictures after I update mine.

Okay...stay tuned for those of you who have wanted to knock me upside the head about my angst over the backsplash...I'm having some "things" installed this weekend. After which, my backsplash is complete as far as I'm concerned...for now, anyway!! I hope I didn't just jinx my luck! Keep your expectations low, VERY low! There are so many things I'd love to be able to do, I just can't get myself over whatever it is that leaves me unsettled. (Anna...you must not have gotten my emails! Thank you. Thank you.) So come back next week and take a peak.

AnnaLeeF...I almost bought that book. Now, I will!
Deb






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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: kitchengirl (My Page) on Tue, Mar 29, 05 at 14:11

Hi all,
First, AnnaLeeF: perhaps you misunderstood me: I was hoping for some MORE tidbits/motivation from your book, not less! But I understand if you think it isn't appropriate to discuss further here. Having just come back from Italy where I always overeat (only 1 day in France after all), I could really use the advice on how to embrace moderation!
downtower: Thank you very much for your history: it really makes me feel better. I am still "discussing" with Gregg at AC via email but hope to get my parts list settled and en route this week. I will be relieved when I no longer open the garage door and see my mangled instrument panel and towel bar... By the way, pdxtrvlr asked about the location of the towel bar, and apparently, its fundamental purpose, according to Gregg, the technical support guy at AC, is to prevent us from applying too much pressure to the burner knobs day to day, whose stems are the most delicate thing about the range, and also to "take the fall" and prevent major damage, as it did in my case. It is actually a "rub bar", masquerading as a decorative accent and towel bar! Okay, I'm getting boring.

Orchidluvr: I'm thrilled that you are now cooking! I would have thought that bread would be the first thing out of your ovens, but an evening meal is a bit more fundamental when you haven't had a full working kitchen for some time, isn't it? Have you done any cooking comparisons between your electric oven and your electric convection oven? Would love to hear your thoughts.

DeirdeLouisville: I made a brief effort to look for french ranges when I was in Grenoble, but only found the Godin, and not a comparable model at that. I'll just mention that from what I understand, Lacanche has a separate assembly line for its American range that is less mechanized and more hands-on than its European line, so while the ranges look the same, there are at least some technical differences "under the hood". I can understand your frustration, and most of us had the benefit of paying 2004 or earlier pricing, which was a bit nicer. The dollar is absurdly poor right now, which must factor into current pricing: in 2000, when we stayed for 4 months in Europe, the dollar was valued about 40% better against the euro than it is now.






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RE: Nancy's photo
Posted by: kitchengirl (My Page) on Tue, Mar 29, 05 at 14:16

NancyUSA:
Love your range placement and cabinets! That is exactly what I'd like to do IF I had a larger kitchen footprint -- standalone range with 'to the counter' cabinets flanking the range! Very handsome.



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: clafouti (My Page) on Tue, Mar 29, 05 at 16:59

Perhaps this would be of interest to someone...


Here is a link that might be useful: Seattle Lacanche Volnay/Vougeot on ebay


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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Sutton (My Page) on Tue, Mar 29, 05 at 21:34

NancyUSA - I was just at your house A WEEK AGO and by your picture, I see you've done so much since then! The hood and granite look fantastic. So jealous.
My Sully arrived a couple of weeks ago and is sitting in the garage. Hate going into the garage every day and looking at it, desperately wanting to take it for a spin. But I'm trying to be patient. Just a couple more months????






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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AnnaLeeF (My Page) on Tue, Mar 29, 05 at 21:52

"I'd love to get a little more advance info to guide me in the short-term!"
LOL, kitchengirl - I thought you were advising not to take up valuable thread room for book reviews when you needed more urgent help on the range info.
Quick points: Two big contrasts between us and the French:
1) They walk everywhere and we drive door to door. We need to get moving.
2) They make a ceremony of the table setting and serving, now borrowing the traditional American use of candlelight, present a very small portion for each course of totally fresh ingredients, then chew very slowly, savoring every bite. We grab bites of processed junk food, chewing as we multi-task on the run. When we dine at a restaurant in the states, as you know, the portions are now beyond enormous and we continue to eat beyond the end of hunger.

Her approach begins with eatting leek soup for the first 48 hours of your adjustment period to new eating behavior. Her leek soup recipe is satisfying and it has a diuretic effect to stimulate the first changes. Mostly the book is about sensible attitudinal changes and eating real food in more modest proportions. How many Krispy Kremes do we really need in a day, anyway? (My question.)

We have a little (very little) action tomorrow. Painter, stonemason and carpenter all coming in the morning! Maybe we will finish this endless remodel some day. The final moldings are going up on the kitchen mantle and two untrimmed end panels. We will agree on the painting plan for next week. The stonemason will prepare an estimate for the creating a stone fireplace, which we will then compare to reproducing a Batchelder fireplace with tile, or creating a paneled wood facade.

Deb - you think your backsplash decision has been long in coming - We cannot seem to agree on this fireplace so far, either in materials or proportion. Can't wait to see your unveiling! You do have a premier spot for your range.







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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Wed, Mar 30, 05 at 6:43

low, low, low...Keep those expectations low! I intend it to be underwhelming! Just a few more days. I hope my "concept" turns out!



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Pirula (My Page) on Wed, Mar 30, 05 at 15:00

Deb:
This, I cannot wait to see....

Ivette





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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: kitchengirl (My Page) on Wed, Mar 30, 05 at 17:26

AnnaLeeF: Thanks for the additional details from your book; I hope to get to my bookstore to check it out in the next day or so. The leek soup sounds really good to me as Spring is here (whether it is the whole meal -- or the first course!).
And what is a Batchelder fireplace? Will this be an additonal "oven" or for ambience and cosiness?




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AnnaLeeF (My Page) on Wed, Mar 30, 05 at 22:14

kitchen girl:
More OT - the Batchelder fireplace was popular between 1910 and 1930, beginning in California bungalowes and spreading across the country, using original tiles designed by Earnest Batchelder. His designs captured the Arts and Craft spirit with engraved images, many of nature and whimsical deer and rabbits. My kitchen and family room are all one L-shaped space and the main fireplace (whose facade we removed in December) is visible in the same glance as the Cluny and the backsplash. I thought reproducing a Batchelder in a compatible/complimentary color range would bring in some eclectic charm. The Tile Restoration Center in the Seattle area makes the tiles and uses select local distributors around the country. You can find copies of the original Batchelder layouts or have a new layout designed for your space.


Here is a link that might be useful: Batchelder repro


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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: pamela1 (My Page) on Wed, Mar 30, 05 at 22:44

AnnaLee--
That is absolutely beautiful. I'd recreate it just as in the photo. I can just see it over the range.
Pamela



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Thu, Mar 31, 05 at 9:09

AnnaLeeF-
That's beautiful! I think it would look fantastic!
Well, I jinxed it. My installer was supposed to come this morning. He has car trouble and has to reschedule for an "unspecified" date. Bummer! Now it gives me time to worry! I had found two black wrought iron French scroll racks that I wanted to put on either side of the hood. I could then put some of my French pottery on them. Then I was going to have a tile clock hung by the pot filler and a big mustard-yellow platter hung toward the other end of the range, leaving the rooster wrought iron doormat in the middle just where it is.

Makes no sense does it! Oh why did he have to have car trouble!





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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: pamela1 (My Page) on Thu, Mar 31, 05 at 10:24

Deb--I can picture that, and I think you're on the right track. You have such a large expanse behind the range, I don't think plain tiles, no matter how beautiful they are, will do anything to add the detail and interest you're looking for. I'm guessing that's why nothing turned you on, short of some really amazing tile mural or such. And putting some "weight" on the walls may balance the range on the bottom. Sounds right to me.
For the same reason, I was going to hang some of my copper pots on the wall behind the range, with a good lid rack for the great lids which have iron rooster finials, but I decided to leave the tall colorful vent on the back of my range which has sort of become a point of interest. I ended up tiling-in spice can and utensils niche/shelves on the side walls inside the mantel surround. Now, there's plenty going on!

Maybe your guy'll still make it today...probably tomorrow???
Pamela

P.S. Plz say a little prayer for safe passage for me. I leave for Egypt on Sunday. Ivette and I will pop in here together to say hello. I don't know what has me more excited--seeing Egypt or meeting her at last! Clearly, both!






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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Thu, Mar 31, 05 at 11:31

Goodfun, we had no problems with our burners but we did go to the link provided to adjust them. Did you do that yet? This may be all you need to do.
pdxtrvlr - I don't even have to think about knobs and how they relate to the burners. It becomes second nature. The bar isn't any problem being a barrier either. You're lucky you can go in person to view the Lacanche before buying. Have fun!




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: kitchengirl (My Page) on Thu, Mar 31, 05 at 12:49

AnnaLeeF: The Batchelder fireplace is lovely -- please keep us up on which way you go with your fireplace surround -- the completely tiled FP really gives a hand-crafted, warm/homey/hearth sensibility in an American, rather than European vein (IMHO). If you go with stone (you mentioned the stonemason), might you go with little cobbley blocks that color reference your Cluny's backsplash? I'm afraid I'm thinking more "Under the Tuscan Sun" than Burgundian here...
I think these complementary design decisions are sometimes the toughest: you readily decide on your basic look, and then must make a whole raft of decisions that can make one's design more in a certain vein, or more eclectic... or are these only MY issues?!




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RE: slightly OT stuff
Posted by: kitchengirl (My Page) on Thu, Mar 31, 05 at 14:20

Pamela: Have a super exciting trip, and please give our regards to Ivette! I'm sure she's looking forward to having a stateside visitor, too.
ZB: Glad to see the old regulars still popping in. How is your gorgeous kitchen coming?
(Wish I could address AnnaLeeF by initials b/c uppercase/lowercase combos are more difficult to type, but ALF seems to be completely innapropriate...)




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AnnaLeeF (My Page) on Thu, Mar 31, 05 at 14:42

Thanks for the positive input on the FP, everyone. I really respect your opinions. I've gotten a design and quote from Mission Tile West in CA, an authorized retailer using the Batchelder repro tiles and am waiting for some color samples. The specific design I linked to may not end up as our exact design, but would be in that vein to work with our scale & proportions. And yes, if we go with stone, it should speak to our backsplash & also reference the exterior stone wall which can be viewed from the adjacent windows. Orange tumbled yellow travertine is another good material for it, but would present a very flat look in contrast to relief tiles or stone. We have a tall stone fireplace in the living room, so it might be nice to use a different material like tile in this space. KG - I know the style mix issues and I am not trying to create a purist look. My DH is running from rooster images! He thinks these areas of hearth and warmth should be equally reminiscent of a Greek taverna, a Tuscan kitchen, a Burgundian bistro or a New England farm. Is that too confusing? Thanks again!
Pamela, go safely and enjoy! How very exciting! What fun you will have with Ivette!

Deb - love your thinking of texture and 3 dimension. It will all come together soon.





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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: kitchengirl (My Page) on Thu, Mar 31, 05 at 14:56

AnnaLeeF: Mission Tile West is just the resource I was thinking of when I checked your link on the Batchelder FP -- it is a gorgeous shop, specializing in Craftsman and hand-made tile, run by a high-school classmate of my sister-in-law. Re. the stone option, I was thinking of Tuscan-style, more or less evenly-sized cobbles that have a good bit of yellow-orange in them, rather than 2-dimensional tiles -- what you think of when you imagine Tuscan farmhouses. Whichever direction you go, I'm sure it will be lovely, as all the choices you've made for your kitchen have been.



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Thu, Mar 31, 05 at 16:48

Pamela and Ivette...have a great time! I'm envious! Pamela, post some pictures!



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AnnaLeeF (My Page) on Fri, Apr 1, 05 at 22:56

kitchengirl, try typing annalee only, no caps, no final F; it should go faster. Glad to hear the endorsement on MTW; they have been very helpful long distance.
Sutton, what color is your Sully?




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Sun, Apr 3, 05 at 14:24

Oh, darn, Pamela, I meant to say have a safe trip. Ivette told me you were coming and you must be so excited. Hubby and I were seriously contemplating going there this spring but we just have so many things going on here we can't get away just yet. You guys will have a great time and as I've already met Ivette I can tell you she's super. We'll be thinking about you both having a great time! (Walk like an Egyptian! :o)



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AZdreamhome (My Page) on Sun, Apr 3, 05 at 20:42

I put a post over in the Kitchens forum I'd love feedback on from the Lacanche folks. I'll probably end up with a Lacanche Volany or Chateauneuf (not the Chambertain as noted in my Kitchens post). But need help with my separate oven placement. The Lacanche will be the centerpiece of the kitchen, of course and I do not want other appliances competing for attention.
Thanks!



Here is a link that might be useful: My post in the Kitchens forum


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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: dreamhaus (My Page) on Sun, Apr 3, 05 at 22:02

AZ dream home, I am in a very similar quandry. I am considering the Volnay and a separate Wolf or Gaggenau electric oven. But where to put it? I am still considering the Wolf DF because of this dilema. Ideally I would like the separate oven to be at counter height. But, like you, I would like to hide it. You have a great spot behind the door to the patio. You would have a landing area to the left of the oven and could even get a side opening Gagg. It would not be a focus point there, yet would work in your kitchen traffic pattern. You have a great floor plan!! good luck!!



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AnnaLeeF (My Page) on Mon, Apr 4, 05 at 1:02

dreamhaus & AZdreamhome,
Just wondering about a different option - why not order a Sully with a gas and an electric oven instead of the Volnay or Chateauneuf? You could also add a warming drawer with a subtle paneled front nearby instead of the warming oven option.



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AZdreamhome (My Page) on Mon, Apr 4, 05 at 11:06

dreamhaus -- great idea. Someone else on the Kitchens forum said if I go with a black Lacanche to look at the Viking oven in black. My only fear with having the range and oven on the same wall is two cooks bumping into each other.
OTOH, AnnaLeeF has a point about the Sully. This is something I also was thinking about but instead was thinking Cluny + Warming Cupboard. I love the Lacanche warming cupboards over a warming drawer. Not sure why but I do. The other reason I like the Cluny+WC is it will make the range (which is our focal point) more substantial. Still working on hood options...that's another topic.

I love getting everyone's input! Thanks!





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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Mon, Apr 4, 05 at 11:41

AZdreamhome...
I have the WC vs a separate WD. I had a WD in my last house and loved the function. However, now that I have these WCs, they're even more useful. I can get much different-sized (i.e. bigger, taller) pots and pans in them. So, having had both, I definitely prefer the WC over the WD.
My Sully has a gas oven and the electric/convection oven, so I feel I have the best of both worlds. The Sully +1 or the Cluny +1 are great options! I don't think the range and oven being together is a problem for two cooks. You'll have plenty of room with the burners to have flexibility to spread about and manuever around. The oven activity will generally be in and out and not a lot of hovering about. Just my $0.02!




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AnnaLeeF (My Page) on Mon, Apr 4, 05 at 19:39

Good idea, Deb.
I should have mentioned the Sully + One (or Two). Your kitchen does not seem to be either in the Gallery or in Nancy's blogspot link above. Why don't you provide another link here to your installed range for potential buyers. Tricky way to get you to show us your new backsplash! Actually, if it is not ready for unveiling, we would be satisfied just seeing that glorious kitchen once again in the original photos.



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: CamNewMexico (My Page) on Mon, Apr 4, 05 at 20:04

Hello, Everyone.
This is my first post to the LaCanche threads. I'm just sorry I haven't been around for threads 1-15. I just found AbqMom's post this morning on thread # 16 and I would dearly love to get in touch with her so I can see her Burgundy LaCanche right here in Albuquerque, New Mexico! I can't believe it!.

So, please help this newbie with sending email to a member.





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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AnnaLeeF (My Page) on Tue, Apr 5, 05 at 0:21

CamNewMexico,
I checked back to her posting in Thread 16 and she did not elect the "E-mail me" option, so there is no way to directly contact her from here as far as I understand.
She is registered on the Frenchranges.com forum and accepts mail there. The other avenue is to contact Art Culinaire and ask them to connect you with an owner near-by.




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Tue, Apr 5, 05 at 13:14

Geez, Louise! Nancy USA, I did not realize until just now that you have created such a great Lacanche info website. That is so helpful for new people to read old discussions and see photos, etc. That's so nice of you to do.
I have all the old Lacanche threads starting from the beginning if you're interested in posting those. I think I may be missing only one part but someone else here must have it. On the other hand there is a TON in those old threads - some pertinent and some not - so wondering if it would be too much to wade though.




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: CamNewMexico (My Page) on Tue, Apr 5, 05 at 14:27

Hey, Zolablue,
I would love to plow through some of the older threads. I only go back to Nancy USA's archived to #16....for which I am very grateful.

You are all so very seductive about the LaCanche and now I would just love to know what else you have all written about them. I'm in New Mexico and am far, far away from being able to see one....but then, I suppose almost everyone
is.

I have now become so enamored with that luscious color that the Wolf range looks so plain and commercial....yet it is so very expensive, almost in the LaCanche range from AC.

Since I am lazy and spoiled, my only concern is the necessity of using oven cleaner again.

I love this forum.








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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AZdreamhome (My Page) on Tue, Apr 5, 05 at 14:54

I also greatly appreciate Nancy's efforts! And would also love to see the older (than #16) Lacanche threads. Does anyone know of anyone in the Phoenix/Tucson area that has a Lacanche. My DH and best friend (designer) think I'm nuts to try to import a Lacanche sight-unseen (but they know me well and once I'm determined to do something...watch out). I won't do it until I have my plumber and electrician on board (and I guess I should check in with the Township also (like VeduZu did).
But it sure would be nice to see one of these in person. Since we will not be purchasing from AC, I don't feel it's ethical to contact them for a customer reference.

Thanks!





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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Tue, Apr 5, 05 at 16:32

I promise to deliver some updated pix later this week! My installer is going to try to come over on Thursday and get my things hung over the range.
Then toward the end of the month, the builder's folks will be back with the remaining appliance panels, etc, etc. But, I'll post new range pix hopefully before the weekend is here. I'll send pix to Nancy, too.

Yes, even though I've probably been through a lot of the threads, I'd love to see them again!

Sight unseen...it's a funny thing, but I did it, too! I am so happy I took the leap of faith and I owe it to the returning folks on this long-lived topic! Hopefully, I can return the favor with my experiences.






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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AZdreamhome (My Page) on Tue, Apr 5, 05 at 16:45

I also wonder when the first Lacanche thread was started here? #1?



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: CamNewMexico (My Page) on Tue, Apr 5, 05 at 19:27

AZdreamhome,
For some reason, after reading about how much everyone seems to love their range, I'm less worried about the sight unseen part. My husband, of course, thinks I'm insane and seems to go deaf when I mention it. He doesn't take it seriously yet.

I would love, however, to see AbqMom's burgunday LaCanche right here in town...if I can figure out how to find her. I found her post on#16 and the links are dead.

Do I just click her name on her page to send and email to her? And where is my mailbox? I would love it if someone could help me out here. I can't seem to find the info in help, etc.






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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AZdreamhome (My Page) on Tue, Apr 5, 05 at 20:16

CamNewMexico -- when you want to email someone click on the "My Page" button next to everyone forum name. Then if the user has enabled it, you can send them an email anomymously (you don't have to know their email address ....they do not give it out). If they choose, they can then respond to you directly in email. It would be good to list your email address in the email you send them just in case.
On the Lacanche issue, my DH and I had "words" about it today. He thinks I'm absolutely nuts to be considering this "French" (he also has issues with France so this is a partial explanation) range that will "only have lots of problems and who will fix it?" I have told him we will not be ordering it until I have met personally with our plumbing company and our electrician to make sure they are on board with it. I also need to make sure it meets code because the building inspector for our Town is strict. I will probably buy one sight unseen if the above stated conditions are met. I will be importing it directly from an online supplier in the U.K. (per VeduZu's instructions).

I too would love to "pet" the machine myself! LOL!





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RE: lacanche ranges part 19 (2)
Posted by: AZdreamhome (My Page) on Tue, Apr 5, 05 at 20:18

CamNewMexico -- oh, if all else fails on my Lacanche purchase (can't get all the stars/planets to meet up just right), we'll be going with the Wolf Duel Fuel Range instead (48"). But I won't be nearly as happy...I think.



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: CamNewMexico (My Page) on Tue, Apr 5, 05 at 20:30

AZ...
My alternative is the 36" Wolf Dual Fuel...and I've been reading the painting Bluestar threads.

What if I paint the oven door of the Dual Fuel...terra cotta?

Thanks for the help with the email problem. I realize I haven't enabled mine and perhaps she hasn't either.

So happy to be here with those of us who "relate" to our appliances. Just talked to a friend who thinks appliances should be turned on and off and do as they're told. Didn't get it at all. Poor dear.







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sales?
Posted by: KLB_2000 (My Page) on Wed, Apr 6, 05 at 22:13

I just got email notification from Art Culinaire that the color upcharge is 1/2 price thru the end of April. I'm curious, since I haven't been on their email distribution list for very long, how often do they have "sales" like this? And what kind of sales do they have (i.e., is there ever a nice "xx% off all ranges" sale?)



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Thu, Apr 7, 05 at 13:32

KLB 2000--can't answer you specifically. I don't think they have sales very often. I'm not sure. Hopefully, someone else will chime in here.
Now...what you've all been waiting for...okay, THAT'S a little dramatic! Here's my range alcove. It's blurry and the lighting is not good. I can't figure out my new digital camera! Argh!! But here it is for now. My installer just hung up the shelves and I'm just playing around with organizing them. Just wanted to take a quick shot and see what you think. It'll all change at least once! Here it is for now...



Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche Alcove


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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AZdreamhome (My Page) on Thu, Apr 7, 05 at 15:56

Momto4Kids -- Wowsa, wowsa, wowsa! It looks STUNNING! Is it operational yet? It sure looks great! I also like a lot of your accessories....copper tray, pig, rooster. Are you using the rooster in (or on) a backsplash?
Sully+2: Is this Sully + warming cupboard + another warming cupboard or extra storage cupboard? Can you tell me the width of the whole thing? Thanks and enjoy! :-)




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: NancyUSA (My Page) on Thu, Apr 7, 05 at 19:11

To all here, thanks you all for your kind comments.

orchidluvr:
I have used the Lacanche sparingly ( only water on 1st floor is in the bath). I roasted a turkey and lamb, the lamb was perfect, the best I've ever done (family input here)

Sutton:
It was great that you were able to come over, I especially enjoyed you're little guy, Quinn. Progress seems to come in fits and starts, but we are getting there. Please call if you would like to bring your husband over.


Momto4kids:
I would be happy to put your updated pictures on the Lacanche website

Zolablue:
If you could email the previous threads to me I will post them. I think people would like all the content.

And anyone else who has information they would like save on the Lacanche website, please send content to:

lacanche@gmail.com


A couple of other points I would note:

As mentioned upthread the links do "break" when copied and pasted so if you want a link to 'show' when archived in the Lacanche website please include it in the body of your post as well as in the link section provided by That Home Site.

I put an tracker on the main page of the Lacanche website, just thought I'd mention it has had over 1200 hits since I created it in late Feburary.














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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Fri, Apr 8, 05 at 13:33

AZ...Yes, Sully +2...I have 2 warming cupboards. It's 84" in length. I have a gas oven, electric convection oven, the large tradition hob burner over the left WC, FT in the middle and stainless steel top over the right WC. The other burners are the "typical" ones. BTW, after much consultation with VAH, I ended up with two 42" VAH liners (they recommened this) vs one custom 84" liner.
Oh yes! Operating! We've been in our house since Thanksgiving. I've had a ball cooking. It's a very powerful range that can also handle the delicate things. I love the set-up. We had a "Virtual Dinner" (with the folks on the Cooking Forum) and I had at least 4 cooks actively cooking. What a pleasure it was!

You'll enjoy the Lacanche.




Here is a link that might be useful: Wide Shot of Kitchen


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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AZdreamhome (My Page) on Sat, Apr 9, 05 at 0:01

Momto4Kids -- thanks so much for your info. Your kitchen is truly beautiful. Your layout is one of the first that I've seen that is somewhat similar to ours. We will also have a range at the end (as our focal point). Your Lacanche is stunning! We will also have two islands (both 6' x 4' which is a different than yours) and have the sink on a perimeter wall looking out into backyard. We will also have a fireplace at opposite end of Great Room (opposite range) but there is quite a distance between the two ...even though I see them anchoring each other. We will have a great room whereas you have the dining room (with FP). I was so excited to see your photos. Here is our layout:


Do you like having the two islands instead of one large center island? If so, what are the reasons you like it? I know, I know, kind of obvious but would still like to hear your reasons. Thanks for the info!

P.S. What do your friends/family say when they see your "unique" range? I can only imagine? Do they immediately ask you who makes it? or something else?

P.S. We broke ground on our new home today...finally!







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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Sat, Apr 9, 05 at 10:41

AZ- I just sent you an email because I realized I was getting way too OT here. So let me know if you don't get it!
I will add to all...my builder just told me the other day that the County inspector almost didn't pass the house becuase of the range. He couldn't believe it wasn't a commercial range. My builder apparently had to "work him over" and finally insisted a commercial range would be SS and not a color! Some of you may remember I originally planned to get SS! The black is an overall better fit and worked to my favor, too!




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: abqMOM (My Page) on Mon, Apr 11, 05 at 2:47

Hi all. I have been off the threads for a while. CamNewMexico, I sent you an email with my info to arrange a viewing. I am out of town - my mother is ill. I will be back in Albuquerque later in the week. Hope to hear from you soon!



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: CamNewMexico (My Page) on Mon, Apr 11, 05 at 11:42

AbqMom
I am so sorry about your mom, but I am very happy to hear from you. I would love to see your range some day, so I'll wait to hear from you. I'll activate my email, since I don't think I did. So check again when you get back.

I keep placing the burgundy Cluny in my cyberkitchen and it looks gorgeous.





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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: VeloDoug (My Page) on Thu, Apr 14, 05 at 10:21

We just received an email from Steve Wick at AC saying that our Cormatin left the factory and should be here in about two weeks.
We're still undecided about putting it in the old kitchen right away so we can start enjoying it, or keeping it safe in the corner of the dining room until the new kitchen is done. Since there will be some construction activity in the dining room too, which will necessitate moving the range around, I'm inclined to put it in the kitchen now.




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Thu, Apr 14, 05 at 11:17

Oh, put it in the kitchen right away! It would be pure punishment to have it there and not use it!



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: NancyUSA (My Page) on Fri, Apr 15, 05 at 0:43

Lacanche Range threads parts 1 though 18 are now available at the Lacanche website.
Zolablue has saved them all. She kindly emailed them to me and they are now posted at

http://lacanche.blogspot.com/

The first post in Part 1 is dated Jun 27, 2002.





Here is a link that might be useful: Website for archived threads and other info


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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: NancyUSA (My Page) on Fri, Apr 15, 05 at 2:08

AnnaLeeF,
Momto4kids link to her kitchen pictures is on my website, it just was poorly labeled. It was the first kitchen I put up actually. I have retitled the post so you should be able to find it easily now.

This is on the assumption that "Deb" is Momto4kids





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Art Culinaire reserve
Posted by: NancyUSA (My Page) on Fri, Apr 15, 05 at 2:29

KLB_2000,
Art Culinaire has what they call a reserve, which seems to be ranges already built or in stock. The prices on these reserve ranges are better I think than a general order.

There are currently 10 ranges in the reserve.

here is the link

http://www.frenchranges.com/reserve.mv






Here is a link that might be useful: Art Culinaire reserve


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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AZdreamhome (My Page) on Fri, Apr 15, 05 at 18:38

Thanks to Zolablue and NancyUSA for posting the older Lacanche threads. I really appreciate it!



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: bnicebkind (My Page) on Sat, Apr 16, 05 at 12:27

Did you see the new lime green lacanche? what a fun color!



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AnnaLeeF (My Page) on Sat, Apr 16, 05 at 18:59

Where is the Lime Green to be seen?



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AZdreamhome (My Page) on Sun, Apr 17, 05 at 0:08

If you were to order a Lacanche from AC and needed it by November, when should you order at the latest? This is assuming it is not a "reserve" and it has to be ordered from France, shipped, etc. I was assuming I had all the time in the world and then it dawned on me November is only seven months away (still sounds like a lot) but I don't want to be foolish either.
I'm still debating between a Veogeot (plus a separate single 30" electric/convection oven) or a Cluny+1 (1400). In a perfect world it would be a Sully+1 (that is the only Lacanche oven that has convection, right?). But since I'm going the "safe" UL-listed route (AC), I cannot justify the cost of the Sully+1!

I'm also going to Vegas next month to 2005 Kitchen & Bath show and don't want to finalize anything until after I go to that show (May 10-11th).

Thoughts? Thanks!






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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: kitchengirl (My Page) on Sun, Apr 17, 05 at 2:20

Hi all,
I'm eager to see the Lime Green, too!
AnnaLeeF: I have been reading Mireille Giuliano's book for the last couple of weeks -- thanks for the useful late winter suggestion! I didn't realize when you first mentioned her name that she was the CEO of Veuve Cliquot USA; I had clipped a few of her recipes from a decorating magazine a few years ago, and did not remember her name. I haven't done the leek soup, but she has motivated me to enjoy a few bites of something rich and then say "that's enough". She offers some neat, easy recipes to do during the week, also.

Orchidluvr: Where are you?! I hope your kitchen is just about done and looking gorgeous! Please give us an update.





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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: VeloDoug (My Page) on Sun, Apr 17, 05 at 9:11

AZdreamhome:
We ordered our Cormatin on January 27. It left the factory last week. If there are no surprises we should have it by the 27th of April. A total of three months.

Any Lacanche range can be ordered with an electric convection oven (or even two of them). The other choices are gas and conventional electric.





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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: CamNewMexico (My Page) on Sun, Apr 17, 05 at 13:27

AZDreamhome,
I'm going to the K&B show in Vegas, too. Will Art Culinaire be there?

I like your choices of LaCanche and will call my Albuquerque confrere today to set an appointment to see her burgundy Cluny (I think). I'll be sure to report back.

We broke ground Thursday after three long years. I've waited so long that I put it in the back of my mind and the excitement is gone. Maybe it'll come back when it starts rising from the ground.






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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AZdreamhome (My Page) on Sun, Apr 17, 05 at 17:15

Thanks VeloDoug -- this gives me some frame of reference.
CamNewMexico -- Congrats on breaking ground-- yeah!! Have fun checking out the Lacanche. Tell us all about it, k? I don't know if AC will be at the K&B Bath show. They are not listed under Exhibitors. I plan on calling them this week and will ask the question. Wouldn't that be cool?






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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Andrea345 (My Page) on Sun, Apr 17, 05 at 21:52

okay, I was in love with the LaCanche, was willing to buy from Art Culinaire to get the support, but what's up with them? I live in the Seattle area. All I want to do is see their product. I've left voice mails. I've sent emails & nada, niente, zilch, zip. I get their pretty emails & brochures, but don't these people return a call? My husband was (is?) willing to back off the Blue Star b/c it does meet his minimum BTU requirement on one burner, but only if the baking in the ovens meets my needs. That, I'll have to see to believe. I've had too many bad bad ovens. We love the styling. We love the colors. But this company has me at my wits end. I want to see the ranges. I want to see them cook. I want to find out how hard it is to get service & parts replaced / repaired. I want to know the repair history. What's up?
If I have to fly to LaCanche, I won't be buying from Art Culinaire. That's for sure. Will they only deal with designers, or do I need to send my credit report? They've taken someone who was willing to throw caution to the wind & brought out my cranky side. This is not a good sign of a company I want to over-spend with.

-a







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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AZdreamhome (My Page) on Sun, Apr 17, 05 at 22:10

Wow! Andrea, I was going to call them myself this week and now I don't know what to expect. I've heard from so many on these boards that once you do talk to them they will spend quality time with you answering your questions and will provide customer references. So it does sound like your experience is the exception to the rule. But, having said that, I hope the customer service isn't on a downtrend...
Don't they have a showroom somewhere in the Seattle area for you to go visit?






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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: KLB_2000 (My Page) on Sun, Apr 17, 05 at 22:51

Andrea, I also live in the Seattle area, and did make the drive up to Woodinville one weekend to check them out. They seem to be a little more focused on their wine business than their range business, as least on the weekends. The one woman who was working there really couldn't tell me anything at all about the ranges (really--nothing! I definitely knew more about the ranges than she did. But I'm sure she knew a lot about the wine!). After she was unable to answer a few questions, she advised me to call or come in during the week, when other people were working.
I'm sure they provide great service and all, like most people on this site have said, but I left with the impression that importing Lacanche ranges is just one of several side businesses for them, almost like they are providing a community service by importing the ranges at all (and I actually don't mean that to sound snotty! Kind of like those few wonderful independent bookstores that used to import British books, back in the days before amazon.uk--sure they charged a bit more for them, but where else could you get them? But I digress.)

Anyway, it is a shame that there aren't additional US distributors to drive the prices down to levels in line with what we see on the UK appliance sites. Maybe Lacanche doesn't really want to sell many ranges in the US? If they do, I'm not sure their exclusive set up with Art Culinaire is the way to go about it. (I'll bet AC are NOT at the Las Vegas convention, for example)

All that said--the ranges on display in their showroom were very very pretty, and I still haven't given up on the Cormatin, at least not entirely!






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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: pamela1 (My Page) on Mon, Apr 18, 05 at 3:29

All these French ranges importers carry and sell these like its a side business. Very frustrating! AC was lovely to me and sent me literature, and when I said I wanted to see a U.S. version (to see how it differed from the Euro model), they said Stan was going on vacation and would be back to me in two weeks! By then, I had moved on. And the French companies want exclusive representation. That's why AC told me they lost the Morice line, which they had first before Lacanche.
The company importing my Morice responded to my calls, nicely, but were a bit indifferent. And when the main guy was out, no one else could really help me.

So it must be very small business for them all, overall. I guess we just have to accept this "renegade" type of trailblazer...
Pamela





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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Mon, Apr 18, 05 at 6:27

I think they are a relatively small business. I usually ask to speak with Stan. If I don't get him, I ask if he is out of town and when it might be best to try him back. I emailed him a little over a week ago and I got an "auto-response" that he was out of town. Tom is around, but I think Stan is primarily the one to talk to and he can make arrangements to have you visit a nearby range.
I'm sorry you had trouble getting through...call back, though. It will be worth it.




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: ahne (My Page) on Mon, Apr 18, 05 at 16:03

Thank you all for introducing me to the wonders of a Lacanche range. It was love at first sight, and then seeing Momto4kids' gorgeous Sully +2 in person made me even more sure I wanted a Lacanche.
So... our kitchen renovation hasn't even started yet, but we're the proud owners of an ivory Vougeot. Now the real fun begins.

Living vicariously for now,
Andrea B.





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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AZdreamhome (My Page) on Mon, Apr 18, 05 at 16:38

Hi Andrea -- congrats on your purchase! Did you buy your Vougeot via the AC reserve? I just noticed a sold sign on the ivory Vougeot.
I'm hoping a Cluny+1 (black matte) pops up on the reserve (with one convection oven, one gas oven, Classique) so I don't have to pay for shipping. Probably dreaming...




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: AnnaLeeF (My Page) on Mon, Apr 18, 05 at 16:55

Welcome, Andrea (ahne)!
Yipee! An Ivory owner! I think that color is really cool, so I am delighted to see it go into play. Good luck on the road ahead, Andrea. Lots of back forum information is available, courtesy of Nancy who created the archieves in the blogspot and contributions from Zolablue who has saved all the old threads.
KLB & Andrea345: This French range thing doesn't seem to happen on the American schedule of instant gratification. AC a very small operation. One thing that remodeling has taught me is that some things happen on their own schedule, whether that is our wish or not. This particular product is excellent and is worth a wait. That said, AC should be able to inform you of when to expect a return contact.

Kitchengirl: good reading - glad you are also enjoying it.
Pamela1: so glad you are safe and sound! How is your Morice performing?
Doug: Glad to hear your range is set for delivery next week. What excitement!





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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: ahne (My Page) on Mon, Apr 18, 05 at 17:07

HI AZdreamhome --
I did snatch up that Vougeot from the reserve listing. I shared your dream of a black Cluny 1400, but alas my kitchen plans did not allow it. Not that I don't adore the Vougeot.

Good luck checking the reserve, I got a bit obsessed and checked it twice a day.

AnnaLeeF -- thanks for the warm welcome. I'm sure I'll be hitting everyone up for the 'real' information when the time comes.








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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Mon, Apr 18, 05 at 17:13

Andrea!
I am soooo happy for you! I wondered what you had decided and was hoping to hear from you!
That ivory color is delicious! It'll be beautiful in your newly remodeled kitchen, I'm sure!

Congrats!
Deb





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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: goodfun58 (My Page) on Mon, Apr 18, 05 at 17:28

Andrea,
You are so lucky to get the warming drawer too. I bet you are going to really enjoy this range.




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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: ahne (My Page) on Mon, Apr 18, 05 at 18:35

Hi All --
Deb --- seeing your gorgeous range [and kitchen] really solidified my resolve to figure out how to get a Lacanche.

Now onto the neverending debate of marble v. soapstone. I know I can't go wrong, and maybe I'll just do both.

Goodfun - The warming cupboard was a must-have, so I'll be buying an electric wall oven to get that second oven. And while the ivory wasn't in the works if I bought a range to order, it's positively cream-alicious at half price.

Any other ivory owners out there care to share pictures?

Cheers!
Andrea








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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: bnicebkind (My Page) on Mon, Apr 18, 05 at 18:37

I saw the lime green in the April/May? magazines last week. I do not know which one, as I spent an hour going through home magazines studying backsplashes, bathrooms, and decorating. it may have been one of the British home magazines, as i looked at a few of those too. I must say, that lime green may have done it for me, as i really like lime! But I have already ordered a Wolf, and (ONLY) because ALL burners went low or high, and did the double wall ovens, and my kitchen cabinets are already made... however, lime is the one color that may have done it!



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RE: lacanche ranges part 19
Posted by: CamNewMexico (My Page) on Mon, Apr 18, 05 at 19:09

Andrea,
Congratulations on your decisiveness. I still wallow in indecision, but almost want to take the leap that you've made. Just use the Nike solution!

I still waver over the non-self-cleaning ovens, but my friend who cooks all the time said she used her Viking gas oven for roasting and her convection wall ovens for baking. It wasn'